They Still Don't Get It
The following is a posting from a liberal blogger and the response I posted on his site:
"It's Official: Bush Is A Nutter
George W. Bush and John Lennon's murderer, Mark Chapman, have a lot in common. Both say they were ordered by God Himself to kill innocent people. In Chapman's case, he was asked to murder a rock star; whereas in Dubya's he was ordered to use the full might of the world's most powerful military force against a country already crippled by dictatorship and sanctions. So why is Mark Chapman locked up after 20 years in prison while Bush is still allowed to romp around causing havoc?
Bush "God Asked Me To Butcher Iraqis By The Bucketload" Story is to be found all over the Internet, but we loved the Guardian Newsblog's comments section, to be found here."
My response:
"Damn, do you have long-term memory loss? Let me refresh your memory: On 9-11-01, members of Al Quaeda, a radical Islamic terrorist organization, flew commercial passenger planes into New York's World Trade Towers killing nearly 4000 people in the worst attack on U.S. soil in U.S. history.
Now if you are too ignorant to recognize the strategy that W has instituted to fight worldwide terrorism by now, then you never will.
We needed a battlefield to fight an enemy that has no borders. Now of course we know that all of Al Quaeda's memebrs are not in Iraq fighting, but a lot of them are. This makes for an opportunity to eliminate a good number of the more violent Islamic radicals and at the same time prove and demonstrate that democracy can be established in the Islamic world and succeed.
It will not come without bloodshed and violence. Freedom must be paid for.
We tried sticking our heads in the sand prior to WWI and WWII and wound up fighting the two biggest wars in history. We cannot afford to do that with an enemy who hates us just for being who we are. If we pulled out troops today, the terrorism would not stop. These people are damned and determined to make the entire world an Islamic state, according to them we are all infidels.
There is no negotiating with these people, they hate us, plain and simple and it is not just because of our capitalistic system, nor because of our pluaralistic faith. If they were to succeed Christians, Jews, moderate Muslims and yes, even Athiests, would be put to death.
So you really need to get a grip on the reality of just who and what we are dealing with. You can take all the shots you want at W, but you have to give him credit, he is doing everything he can to protect the citizens of this country from these murderers. (See Israel)
If you think that he is such a NUTTER, lets hear your solutions. Get out here on the web!Hell, if I agree with you, I'll make you President."
posted by bbkd at 10:34 PM
1 Comments:
You really haven't addressed my point about the Mark Chapman analogy, and I really don't think much of your response which sounded like you blindly regurgitated one of Fox News' weaker news reports.
I'm loth to respond to you at all as you're clearly one of the flag-waving patriots who believes everything Dubya's speechwriters feed you, so I suspect I'm wasting my time, but however...
(a) If you're genuinely concerned about 9/11, or preventing another similar attack, presumably you'd have an interest in seeing Al Qaeda weakened.
Time and time again, Bush's policies have added fuel to the fire and now Al Qaeda are stronger than ever and will continue to grow as long as the US romp around the Middle East pretending they're playing a shoot em' up computer game.
Now the CIA believes Iraq will provide even more recruits to Al Qaeda than Afghanistan did in the 1980s-90s.
They've also been gained a strong political foothold in a country where they has little or no influence prior to the US invasion.
So, if anything, Al Qaeda are grateful to Dubya and company for their political influence and thousands of new recruits - none of which they could possibly have gained without Dubya's policies.
Al Qaeda have now successfully crossed the threshold from being a radical fringe group, to a strong, tactile and almost mainstream organisation - all in ways that they couldn't possibly have engineered on their own.
(b) Though the "they're all evil and want to destroy our freedom" rhetoric might be convenient to your cause, it's incredibly simplistic and could only be believed by a Bush supporter who watches Fox News (get yourself a copy of Outfoxed and then tell me it's a credible source of information).
People don't just blow themselves up because of Al Qaeda propaganda, but because they combine and reconcile the propaganda with what they actually see on the ground - a superpower romping around various countries blowing up everything and everyone in sight, *including* civilians who are just as innocent as the people who died in the Twin Towers. The only difference being that far, far, more innocent Muslims have been killed.
The solution doesn't lie in terrorism of course, but US activity in Iraq has greatly helped Al Qaeda to convince a small but significant minority of Muslims that it is a just course of action.
(b) Al Qaeda are stronger than ever as a result of Dubya's policies. There were few Iraqis involved in Al Quaeda prior to the US invasion, but now thousands of Iraqi Sunni Muslims are signing up, combined with the continuous flow of fresh foreign recruits who feel the US invasion of Iraq has made Bin Laden & co appear to have been right all along.
(c) You're naive to think Iraq has anything to do with fighting terrorism. It was clear to just about every worthy political commentator and intelligence agency that invading Iraq could only make the problem worse, but still Bush and his cohorts persisted. Why? Because the war was more to do with gaining oil and influence in the region, with the added bonus that the situation also provided some nice kickbacks for companies close to the administration.
(d) I still maintain that anyone who believes God speaks to them and advises them in person is clearly insane, whether they're Osama Bin Laden, Mark Chapman, or George W. Bush.
(e) Iraq wouldn't be the first democracy in the Islamic world and I'm shocked you think it is. I'll let you do your own research on this one, as it just might lead you to reading a book or two on the subject.
(f) My solution would be to fight the terrorists without killing thousands of innocent civilians, without causing bitterly sectarian civil wars and without strengthening Al Qaeda.
Tactics which favoured brains over brawn would help to achieve these objectives.
If Bush had put the same billions spent on the war in Iraq into intelligence gathering, infiltration and even shooting of individual terrorists, the US would be in a far stronger and safer position than it is today.
(g) There is no rule that suggests freedom has to be paid for in blood, and the only people who propagate such myths are those who have an interest in motivating thousands of young men and women to sacrifice their lives in the name of "freedom". When in fact their lives have been cruelly squandered on behalf of a small clique of vested interests. Poor sods.
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